We had a 2-parter w/@michaelbierut and @jessicahelfand that was just them being super smart https://trackchanges.postlight.com/podcast-33-a-conversation-with-michael-bierut-and-jessica-helfand-part-one-7adaaf2e87b5#.93cqnqhwh https://trackchanges.postlight.com/podcast-34-a-conversation-with-michael-bierut-and-jessica-helfand-part-two-cbdfcf9c8f6c#.6anvi0v1k